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Blog Thread I guess - Halo Edition Snake (ID: 0aa408)Country code: blank.gif, country type: blank, valid: 12440

Every now and then someone brings up Halo, and I end up coming back to the whole thing, remembering how much was lost, how much I care.
Usually it crops up because someone runs the claim that humans and forerunners were always different. That there was no retcon, and that idea was stupid anyway.

Always a depressing one. It's people who don't know what they had. Who insist it's always been shit. And have the audacity to be annoyed you don't join them in the sty.
I sneer, of course, and find anger at them. But mostly, it makes me sad. And I hate how they persist, in eroding the past. In allowing the new slop made overwrite what once was.
"Folk need heroes", as Johnson put it.

Modern writing has decayed rather fiercely. And with it, I feel even the capacity to understand, to 'see' good stories is gone. Depth is a thing of the past in so many respects. Motivations need to be outright stated, or as baseline as can be, to be understood. Hell, even that might be too much, as far more often I see justifications for any action at all no matter how outlandish or absurd.
It hurts. I ought do my part to fix it, but I struggle. It's something I need to do. A little piece of the world I know I could change, I could make a difference in. But it's hard. Taking that first step.

But I digress; I made this thread, or rather this line of text mostly to talk a moment in Halo that's always stuck with me. I think it's my favorite moment. I don't know when it quite clicked for me, but now, it's the one I immediately think of when looking at Bungie and an example of their writing prowess.

There's this moment in Halo 2, towards the end of the game, where you find one of the Prophets, the leaders of the Covenant, Mercy, with a flood parasite at his neck, abandoned by his fellows, left behind.
The Chief, known to him as the "Demon", the great enemy of the Covenant, kneels besides him, and Mercy gives you a line that feels for all intents like a threat. A bit of bravado from a dying man. Some bold bragging of a final victory over an old enemy, giving him a small bit of satisfaction in his final moments.

But that is entirely changed when you realize the truth.
Mercy, you see, was not speaking as a villain, as some fiendish monster out to slaughter humanity for his own pleasure.
Mercy was a true believer. He truly bought in to the Great Journey.
His words to you weren't some reckless brag. He knows the truth. He knows what you, what Humanity, are.
He was there when Mendicant Bias revealed this fact; That humanity are Forerunner.
"Some of them were left behind".

So what does this man say, a monster at his throat, the great demon of his people at his side? Does he insult him? Belittle him? Tell him he's too late?
No. Mercy answers him truthfully. He hides nothing. He gives his final wishes, his final conviction on his dying breath.
"This time none of you will be left behind".

His final words are not condemnation. Even to this "demon" before him.
He wished to bring all, even those deemed "unworthy". That all would attain this salvation.
In the end, what he wanted for humanity, was Mercy.
And we, in the moment, never knew.

Anonymous (ID: 1eda3d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  12456

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The London Philharmonic recorded some 'Halo' related music of note that's maybe not that well known outside of the United Kingdom.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Greatest_Video_Game_Music

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>>12440 I've never played Halo. What was the retcon?

Snake (ID: a4e45c)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  12505

>>12502
A number of things really, but the big one here was that humans were Forerunner. Or at least the children thereof, made in their image, what have you. Essentially the same thing, but, some folk struggle with that distinction, annoyingly.

The whole thing was a biblical tale. Throughout, you get allusions to the old testament, especially with the aptly named "flood".
Naturally, this was a major part of the whole linkage. "God made man in his image."
The idea at play was essentially that these stories were mankind's game of telephone with our true origins.

Incidentally since I mentioned it... The Flood bodies Tyrannids.

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>>12505 that was an interesting video. I never would have thought Halo had a real story. all I ever knew about it was Red vs Blue and that it used to be popular for multiplayer.

Snake (ID: 0aa408)Country code: blank.gif, country type: blank, valid: 12599

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>>12514
Bungie back in the day used to do some great stuff.
Check out Mandy's 'Bungie Rabithole' series if you want an example of that.
Back in the era of Doom telling everyone "Stories in games are like stories in porn", Bungie were the chads who went full tilt and gave us philsophical quandries and unique themes all well-contained in universe.

Marathon Review

Also fuck 343, bastards ruined Halo.

Anonymous (ID: 93a3dc)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  12648

>>12505
The fact that catastrophic floods are a major part of worldwide mythology and spirituality even outside Judaism and Christianity, like when one looks at other continents and their old-time tribes, is fascinating.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flood_myth

Shalissa (ID: 4f39fb)Country code: blank.gif, country type: blank, valid: 12713

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The flood would get absolutely fucking wrecked by the Tyranids. Even if the flood managed to combine multiple key minds into a Gravemind, or multiple graveminds they would still get their collective cheeks clapped.

People huff copium and try to argue that the flood have a high skill ceiling in intelligence, but conveniently forget that the Tyanid hivemind has the ability to steal intelligence as well; and most likely already has an entire galaxy of biomass. It is on a completely different level from the get go.

I remember reading a story about how some Eldar once peered into the psychy of the Hivemind and compared it to a God; how the Hivemind actually had the four Chaos Gods nervous. The Hivemind's intelligence rivals Tzeentch of all beings. That says a lot.

Tyranids also have complete mastery over their biology which basically makes them biological borg. There are stories about Nids already evolving upon the moment of arriving on a completely alien world in order to take over it easier. They would absolutely be able to fend off the Flood on a microscopic level.

Not to mention the Tyranids have access to better weaponry, greater numbers, LITERAL MAGIC, and plasma/acid weaponry that could cook Flood spores. They are more versatile when needed and unrelenting from warriors to even the spread of disease and toxins.

Most nids don't carry any intelligence on an individual level so even if a few got infected the Flood wouldn't actually gain anything.

(Assuming infection even becomes a thing) The Hivemind is also capable of quarantine and scorched earth tactics. Transport infected nids to a space away from everyone else and literally burn everything down to the molecular level.

Like seriously as far as a horde faction goes, the Flood are only like one step above Necromorphs, Xenomorphs, and the Zerg in power.

And this isn't WH40k Fanboy talk either. I know there are things in fiction that could absolutely eat the Tyranid's ass. (Like the Qu)

Snake (ID: ce7c64)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  12718

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>>12713
I remember reading a story about how some Eldar thought Orks were peak life, with a philosophy undeniably superior to all others.
I wouldn't take what those stupid pointy-ears think as much worth.
Though I'll grant you the chaos gods are probably nervous; That's because the Chaos Gods are chumps in every setting and every moment within Warhammer.
They're treated as a huge threat. But they never are.

>Th-they can steal intelligence!

The Flood doesn't need to do that. It can, also. Sure. As it was doing with Keys. But that's more for information extraction.
The Flood is a consistent entity. It isn't "A" gravemind. It's THE Gravemind. A creature that had personally fought against powers that would rival if not surpass that of the Necrons at their height.

>m-muh evolution

Sure, they can evolve. But then lasguns still work. So it's not really much an impressive evolutionary cycle. It just means they can live on planets that everything else could live on, too.
Flood already do that. And they can freely coopt and corrupt technologies of their enemies.

>B-but plasma! Acid! MAGIC!

Magic in 40k really isn't that impressive to begin with.
The Covenant, a race whom the Flood were perfectly able to completely dominate an entire orbital planet-sized city in space, literally the hub of the entirety of that faction, with no more than a single frigate's population, have far greater plasma technology than anything 40k has to muster.
They make the Tau look like a joke, and even still, they were nothing to the Flood.

The only way to stop a flood infestation is orbital bombardment. Covenant containment procedures is literally "Glass the surface" when a flood infestation breaks out. Something of which is totally unnecessary in the event of a small Tyrannid incursion, in 40k.

>Muh numbers!

Something that is actively a detrminent when facing an infection-based adversary like the Flood.
The Tyrannids mass charge wave tactics would actively result in their destruction.
You'd be better off sending Space Marines. AT least then it'd be a net negative for the Flood.

>but they're all stupid so the Flood gain nothing!

The Flood don't need the tyrannids to be intelligent. Infecting them means more soldiers, more mass, and so on.
Unlike the Tyrrannids, the Flood are a true hive mind.
Each individual unit is actively a part of the whole. And unlike the Tyrannids, they do not need controlforms.

>But muh quarantine! Muh scorched earth!

The last time that was attempted, it was by guys well in the War in Heaven technological base, and they had to literally wipe all life in the galaxy and repopulate after the fact to fix it.

Anonymous (ID: 1eda3d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  12724

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Everybody talks shit but the the Q Continuum could turn all of those creatures into a fine mist of decomposing guts if they felt like it.

Snake (ID: ce7c64)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  12738

>>12724
Aren't they for all intents and purposes literal gods?
Of course they'd win.

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>>12724
>>12738
The Borg were enough to give pause to the Qs.

Snake (ID: ce7c64)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  12745

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>>12744
Is been a long time since I've watched Star Trek. Weren't the Q basically able to do anything, though? Couldn't they just snap their fingers and summon a star to deal with them?

(ID: ce5c0f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  12746

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>>12745 maybe. It was never explained why the Qs would find some races or individuals to be a threat - Guinan for example.

Snake (ID: 0a69bd)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  12747

>>12746
I guess Piccard and crew do sometimes screw Q over with their limited tech, so, it's not outside of possibility. But then, I just assumed that was more because Federation tech is a bit "War in Heaven" tier next to godly as well.

Shalissa (ID: e08c59)Country code: blank.gif, country type: blank, valid: 12773

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Halofaggotry. Not even once.
>>12718
That particular Eldar was in the process of essentially scrolling through the spirit world. The Tyranids left such a massive mark within the warp that it was showing up as the same black airforce energy as that of actual Gods.
>some Eldar thought Orks were peak life, with a philosophy undeniably superior to all others
They were correct. And for reference here is the actual quote
>"The Orks are the pinnacle of creation. For them, the great struggle is won. They have evolved a society which knows no stress or angst. Who are we to judge them? We Eldar who have failed, or the Humans, on the road to ruin in their turn? And why? Because we sought answers to questions that an Ork wouldn't even bother to ask! We see a culture that is strong and despise it as crude."
They are saying from a biological level and one of the Orks own choosing that they have basically won the great game of life.

>I-It isn't the G-gravemind its.. it THEE gravemind!

As is the Hivemind, except the the Hivemind doesn't need sentient creatures to manifest. It simple acts as a living organism the size of a galaxy (or larger). Even the Swarmlord is but a mere fraction of its intelligence and potential.

Again, not to mention Tyranid invasion begins on a microscopic level. They could probably chop up Flood spores with a credit card and snort them with no problem.

>Sure, they can evolve. But then lasguns still work. So it's not really much an impressive evolutionary cycle. It just means they can live on planets that everything else could live on, too.Flood already do that. And they can freely coopt and corrupt technologies of their enemies

Lasgun resistant Tyanids actually do form as an invasion continues when fighting the Imperium of Man. It's actually more of a testament to the lasgun that its able to hurt things like Carnifex, Mawlocs, ect. Even the humble gaunt has a chance to survive at point blank range. And lasguns are no joke. A single shot can blow off a man's head with ease and dismember off limbs.

You seem to be unaware that the Hivemind will evolve out a problem, but often doesn't have to. If 1000 gaunts die in a charge, the next generation might come back stronger, but with the fleet's unending numbers and prior knowledge to whatever it is they are trying to consume, (the Tyanids already know pretty much everything about a planet's population because invasion even begins) the Hive has pretty much already won. Because even if they lose 1 billion lives, so long as they take the planet they'll just digest their own dead along with the fallen of their enemies and make new nids. They can do this in the middle of an invasion.

>magic isn't impressive

Because throwing entire battle cruisers, sending titans to the shadow realm, and blowing up entire sections of planet isn't powerful. You're either trolling or delusional.
>their plasma is better!
In what way? Also you're missing the point. Tyanids have the means to literally cut off portions of their horde if needed. A carnifex or perhaps a new type of nid (say a massive biological scrubbing acid factory) can be sent in to suicide bomb an area and destroy all flood remnants

The flood are simply inferior as a parasite and fungus compared to glorious tyranid spores
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Snake (ID: 0aa408)Country code: blank.gif, country type: blank, valid: 12799

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>>12773
Sure, from a knifeear's point of view, the Orks've won. In the same way that the cockroach has achieved peak existence here on Earth.
Fortunately, I am not a knifeear. So I need not default to their knifeear point of view.

>As is the Hivemind, except

Except the hivemind falls apart the moment you kill their controllers. Then they return to basic beasts, and are a mile easier to kill. Which is why the Guard can reliably deal with Tyrannids provided the numbers aren't too extreme. Which in the case of Tyrannids, means a massive splinter fleet.
Flood doesn't have this problem. Again, even a singular frigate can conquer the stronghold of the most technologically advanced and militarized faction we see.

> but often doesn't have to

And often it does, but still doesn't. Again; Splinter fleets lose to numerically inferior forces constantly. And when those inferior forces bring flamers, plasma, or just a good enough explosive, biomass decreases. Meanwhile the Flood are just enjoying the luxury of slowly changing the very planet's atmosphere until such a time as merely existing on the surface means you're infected.

>Because throwing entire battle cruisers, sending titans to the shadow realm, and blowing up entire sections of planet isn't powerful.

All of which can be done by tech.
Magic isn't impressive.

>In what way?

Commonality, accuracy, reliability, ammo capacity, the list goes on.
A simple commonplace Grunt handgun will melt through the thickest of armor, with ease, taking an entire limb with it.

>A carnifex or perhaps a new type of nid (say a massive biological scrubbing acid factory) can be sent in to suicide bomb an area and destroy all flood remnants

Cool.
It's now infected and doing the same thing to the Tyrannid biomass vats.
Oops.

Shalissa (ID: a384b5)Country code: blank.gif, country type: blank, valid: 12839

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>>12799
Seeth. The ork way of life is in fact an enlightening road and the only philosophy that can bring true happiness to an individual within the 41st millennium. Once you go green, you'll turn big and mean.

>except if you kill the controllers

Good luck. In most wars the Imperium actually loses. If we're talking pure firepower then the flood is going to lose that battle. Take zananthrope for example. There is no way the flood isn't going to get scrubbed down to the atomic level from one of their warp blasts. Not to mention there is a limitless amount of overseers to replace any that fall in battle. An entire army of flood couldn't stand up to the might of the Hydra, much less a sInGLe sPoRe
>the most technologically advanced we see
From the Gaylo universe, which has less advanced tech from what I've seen in the games. I dont care if the plasma doesn't explode in gameplay, based on pure firepower alone, the Tau/imperium of man could fuck up the covenant. Your plasma stats are arbitrary at best and biased. You also aren't comparing specifics when it comes to faction. You're flailing your arms why screaming about Halo plasma superiority as if this matters when talking about Tyranid acid and bioplasma/biocurrent.
>And often it does, but still doesn't. Again; Splinter fleets lose to numerically inferior forces constantly
"Losing" is a strong word. Testing the waters with massive tendrils is more of an appropriate phrasing. For every battle the Tyranids lose, they devour entire worlds.
>technology can do it! M-m-m-magic is bad!
Technology can do it. Assuming you have access to it. Technology can also be limited and specific in use where as magic can pretty much do anything on a dime. Suck it tech nerd.
>The last time that was attempted, it was by guys well in the War in Heaven technological base, and they had to literally wipe all life in the galaxy and repopulate after the fact to fix it.
>our guys had better tech and still fucked up!
Thats just an example of how incompetent people are in your universe. The Hivemind could dispatch of the flood with perfect precision.
>Cool.It's now infected and doing the same thing to the Tyrannid biomass vats
How is a bloated suicidal acid bug that just exploded infected? How is the flood going to infect when its very spores have been liquefied into protien soup?
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Snake (ID: 41d3e4)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  12842

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>>12839
>t-the savage barbarian culture is actually superior to ours!!!
OK liberal

>In most wars the Imperium actually loses.

That's not even slightly true. Mostly due to writer fiat, the Imperium wins the vast majority of the time with only Chaos being allowed to ever make serious incursions and even that being after 12 failures that have to be retconned to 'JustAsPlanned' strategic ploys.

>If we're talking pure firepower then the flood

Then the Flood gain literally what everyone else has because not only are they capable of infecting life and using their biological capabilities, they're able to actively infect and utilize technology of those they face, too. Something the Tyrannids can't do, ultimately having to waste biomass creating their own flesh ships instead.

>There is no way the flood isn't going to get scrubbed down to the atomic level from one of their warp blasts.

Sure.
And then one of the other dime a dozen infection forms gets to leap at its back and turn the thing into yet another Flood form with all the benefits of its particular capabilities on top of killing yet another Synapse creature.

>Not to mention there is a limitless amount of overseers to replace any that fall in battle.

Lmao, sure.
Which is why the Guard strategy of killing those synapse creatures first totally doesn't work, and doesn't allow them to fight off spliterfleets regularly
>b-b-but it's just a probe!!! They don't expect to win even though they're numerically superior and sacrificing significant biomass!!!
Pure cope.

>from what I've seen in the games.

If we're going off the games a squad of space marines can get mulched easily by a group of guardsmen, and Genestealer pure stains are basic canonfodder for a hiveganger mercenary.

>the Tau/imperium of man could fuck up the covenant.

Lmao
Both get bodied easily in space. Tau especially. Their tech might be best called Quant in comparison.

>For every battle the Tyranids lose, they devour entire worlds.

Which would hold more weight if they weren't just eating backwaters while the Imperium is busy with greater threats.

>Technology can also be limited and specific in use where as magic can pretty much do anything on a dime

Magic in 40k is literally twice as limited. And besides that, the magic the Tyrannids field are unimaginative as hell, as would be expected of their kind.

>How is the flood going to infect when its very spores have been liquefied into protien soup

If there's enough of it to be protein there's enough of it to be a biological hazard.
Again it's a parasitic force, not just hungry space cockroaches

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>>12842
>liberal
Ah yes, make the galaxy Waaagh again is the epitome of liberal thinking.

The tyranids do win the majority of world invasions. Those are L's for the Imperium or whatever faction gets their cheeks clapped by the Hivemind at any given point. Its written in many codexs when nids are mentioned and is Canon. The books that we read about Calgar or whatever named Imperial twerking on a Hive Tyrant's head are the outliers of the overall arcing story of 40k as a whole; the fact of the matter is that between all of the xeno/heretical forces out there, the Tyranids are the biggest threat to literally everyone. Even the silent coom king came back looking shaken. (Outside of the galaxy is infested orks and tyranids, apparently.)

And I'm a Slaaneshfag. Even I recognize that eventually chaos is going to get eaten or outright destroyed if all life is devoured. Look at Hive Fleet Kronos. It is evolving to be able to EAT CHAOS.

>Then the Flood gain literally what everyone else has because not only are they capable of infecting life and using their biological capabilities

Hurrppp duuuuurrr what are genestealer cults? Tyranids can use alien technologies but decide not to because they are based. (And their bio weaponry is superior) You know what they do with the tech once a planet is done? They eat the metals and make more nids. Chad as fuck.

Some of those bioships by the way are the size of planets with continent sized beaks.

>And then one of the other dime a dozen infection forms gets to leap at its back and turn the thing into yet another Flood form with all the benefits of its particular capabilities on top of killing yet another Synapse creature

This isn't just copy. This is a pipe dream. The only thing the flood is killing is a mirage.
>a squad of space marines can get mulched easily by a group of guardsmen, and Genestealer pure stains are basic canonfodder for a hiveganger mercenary.
Space Marine 2 and Boltgun are Canon. Cry some more Master Chief.
>Both get bodied easily in space. Tau especially. Their tech might be best called Quant in comparison.
The Tau would only ever lose due to numbers. Your average fire warrior is much deadlier than even their elites.

Ironically the most deadly foot unit the Covinent has are grunts with sniper rifles.

>Which would hold more weight if they weren't just eating backwaters while the Imperium is busy with greater threats.


Back waters or not, entire planets are biomass. Which the tyranids use much more efficiently than the flood.

>Magic in 40k is literally twice as limited.

Suppressed is the word you're looking for.
>If there's enough of it to be protein there's enough of it to be a biological hazard.
Hazard implies it is a threat to superior Tyanid genetics and biology


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